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The Entrepreneur's Journey: Overcoming Challenges, Building a Team, and Navigating Legal Waters with Cait Crowell | 105
" I help people get to the root cause of complex chronic health issues like digestive issues, hormonal imbalances, issues with chronic inflammatory things like Lyme, co-infections illness, more like stealth infections. " - Cait
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Tune in to this engaging episode where we unravel the journey of entrepreneurship with the experienced Cait Crowell. With a plethora of insights to offer, Cait discusses overcoming arduous challenges, mastering the art of team building, and gaining a profound understanding of legal intricacies. Whether you're an aspiring entrepreneur or a seasoned business owner, Cait's experiences will provide a wealth of inspiration and knowledge to fuel your own venture.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
I’m Andy Contiguglia, your corporate casual Denver-based business attorney bringing you the Don't Skip the Legal podcast where you can listen in on the real stories, the real stakes, and the real legal lessons from real business owners just like you. These behind-the-door conversations about business are instrumental to your success. This is where the deals are made, negotiations are discussed, and company problems are identified, leading you to overcome the challenges we all face in our business.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
This podcast is your invitation to where the real business happens and also where the best ideas take place. So let's get behind the doors and business and break down these legal lessons overall.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
Remember, don't skip the legal welcome to the still-unnamed podcast. Don't skip the legal. We're here with Cait Crowell. Tell everybody what you do and sort of a little bit of background in your business.
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Cait Crowell
I'm a holistic nutritionist, nutritional therapy practitioner of minds and global public health and nutrition from my undergrad degree involves multiple different certification programs begun through multiple iterations of business. As we'll get into today and what I do now is I help people get to the root cause of complex chronic health issues, mostly digestive issues, hormonal imbalances, issues with like chronic inflammatory things like Lyme co-infections, mold, illness, more like self-infections.
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Cait Crowell
Over time, this down into some unique sets of issues that people are having health-wise. But I also love entrepreneurship, helping other people with their businesses and have had chapters of influence, marketing and sojourn.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
Well, it's a broad spectrum in terms of nutrition. There's a lot going on. So my joke, my remark about you decluttering people's bodies is not too far off. No. I mean, it's like somebody coming in and being able to say, here are the problems going on in your body. Here's what you need to do to sort of fix the elements of your body so you can live a healthier life, much like somebody who comes in to declutter your life.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
Yeah, like get rid of all the shit that's in your life and get rid of these problems. Life coaching you doing. Certainly contrition coaching is very sort of akin to that that kind of thing. Yeah. So how do you get involved in I mean, you touched briefly on your education and everything like that. I think that's all absolutely wonderful stuff.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
But how do you get into being a nutritional therapist or a nutritional coach however you really want to just define that? How did you decide that was the proper for you?
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Cait Crowell
Good question. I think it was through a process of elimination. I think there's a lot of people who go into business or are passionate about something and think like you have to have it figured out before you start, but you kind of have to start before you figure it out. I kind of experienced that in the opposite ways.
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Cait Crowell
Most people would think about it, but for me personally, when I went into college, I was undecided. I didn't know what I wanted to do. I just knew that I wanted to help people. And yeah, I was like running track and just sort of like burning my face off and different after college was like, I just want to help people.
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Cait Crowell
But I ended up taking a few prerequisite classes in global public health, which focuses on the health of populations in developing countries. So public health for large populations and areas of the world that need simple global lifesaving solutions. And so I took an intro class to that, that coverage and then my genetics that also kind of gave me a taste of potentially some of the things I was interested in.
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Cait Crowell
I fell in love with it and I had a lot of professors who were my masters in public health, which is usually field work. It's not so much research oriented in the public health space, but you're out there, you're traveling, you're working in the field, you're doing things hands on with these people, and you're traveling to these developing countries.
00;03;41;07 - 00;04;13;09
Cait Crowell
And I have a huge adventure bug, and I was like, Man, this is awesome. Like, I think this is something that I want to do. And so I went and traveled to Bangladesh by myself when I was 20. I spent a summer living in Bangladesh, in Dhaka and worked at an international research hospital. But at the time in college I was minoring in nutrition and I was also dealing with all these crazy health issues myself with like digestive issues, panic attacks, diet IBS had all these weird diagnosis that like just didn't really have an answer that was like, you have your whole freaking great life.
00;04;13;14 - 00;04;33;07
Cait Crowell
Why do I have an irritable bowel and why is it inflamed and what's driving that and all these questions? And so at the same time that I was going to Bangladesh and kind of witnessing nutrition function in this acute setting is we have people, young kids and adults well into the hospital that were going into hypoglycemic shock and having seizures and, you know, coming back within 20 minutes.
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Cait Crowell
And it's just like a simple drip of glucose or like an oral rehydration solution. Like it was just a totally different spectrum of seeing nutrition functions, acute setting, where in the U.S. we just see it in this chronic setting. And I was going through these chronic issues myself. And so at the same time I was in Bangladesh was kind of asking all these questions about like what does real nutrition look like?
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Cait Crowell
What does it really look like to get to the root of health issues for myself, for other people. And when I was in Bangladesh, I was living with all these doctors in Johns Hopkins and researchers that were way up to the top of their field in the MPH world, which is what I thought I wanted to do. And when I was there, it was like, Oh shit.
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Cait Crowell
Like there's this whole other piece of like preventative care, dealing with things in the moment, like nutrition. Had this ability in my mind and what I experienced and what I realized I was passionate about was that it could be woven into any part of someone's healing journey, whether it was like an acute hypoglycemic issue, like nutrition is a part of that.
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Cait Crowell
If it's a chronic gut issue or autoimmune issue, nutrition is a part of that. There's no way to escape the fact that nutrition is a huge piece of anybody's journey in living their most optimal life and achieving optimal health. So I came back from Bangladesh. That's why I was like, How do I do this in a way that feels authentic to the things that I've seen?
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Cait Crowell
And then, yeah, you know, got into what that program just and drive us out because there was so much red tape sponsored by FDA. USDA just felt like it was regulated it in a way that I certainly agree with and then went the route of the Nutritional Therapy Association and the rest is history is in the business.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
So how help me understand exactly how I mean, it's clearly of a passion for what you do. And this passion in the work that you're doing today really originated from events in your college years, your youth as a young adult and sort of growing up and moving into this. But how in your mind tell us a little bit about how that idea of, you know, world health watching and observing and interacting with people in other countries triggered you to say, this is what I want to do.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
This is where I want to live my life. This is where I want to grow my business. This is where or even start my business at this stage. How does that manifest itself into you and how does it trigger you and catalyze you into saying, This is what I want to do? Yes, I want to help people. I mean, everybody wants to help people.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
I think that there's a lot of information available to us and we all want to be able to, you know, reach out and help one another. But you decided that this path was a greater path for you and you wanted it to be your lifestyle, your that you wanted to take your passion and turn it into work or business.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
How how did that change for you? How did that happen?
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Cait Crowell
Yeah, I mean, I think like what drives me most of the time was that all the time and I actually wrote this like a scholarship that I ended up getting when I went to Bangladesh. But I remember I was like, Yeah, like sometimes you write things like good thing things, right? And I was like, so proud of myself for that.
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Cait Crowell
I mean, it sticks with stay.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
Humble.
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Cait Crowell
Stance, but I was like, This is exactly how I feel. But the thing that really liked me up and has since the other time in Bangladesh was that and I had experienced these things myself. And I think sometimes when we lean into the things that we're passionate about, whether it's a hobby or we turn it into a career, whatever we do with it, it's because we've been deeply affected by something and we've found a way out and we want to help other people through that too.
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Cait Crowell
And so that's a huge part of my why behind what I do, but the biggest lie and the underlying why behind everything. And it hit me when I was in Bangladesh was that I think that we're all here on this earth for a specific reason. I don't know what your reason is, and I'm still figuring out what my reason is, but I like to think that passionately pursuing what I'm doing is what is set before me.
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Cait Crowell
But what gets in the way of that oftentimes for a lot of people is that they don't have the type of health to feel vibrant enough, to have enough energy to get through their day, to connect with people the way that they want to, to actually live out their purpose. And so one thing that I feel called to helping people with and pull myself out of these spaces with health issues over the years is like, if I'm not feeling energized, I don't feel good, I'm going through my day, brain fog, my guts all messed up and I'm full of anxiety.
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Cait Crowell
Like I'm not living to the fullest expression of myself that I think I'm genuinely called to. Right? So there's an element of like, okay, I've felt that pain and what it feels like to go through those things that I've also washed my body heal and I know what it's capable of. And I know we are all born with this innate intelligence within our body, however you want to refer to that God universe, whatever, that our bodies are designed to heal, and if we create the right environment for them to do that, then we are stepping into this experience of life where we feel great, we're energized, we're excited to help other people.
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Cait Crowell
Then we can go off and do what we really want to do. And so there's an element for me that feels, you know, definitely like spiritual purpose of wanting to help people feel good enough so that they can go do the things that they want to do with their lives and the way that they want to do it and pursue their own passions in their own way.
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Cait Crowell
And if we're not healthy, we can't do that. If you don't have your health, you have nothing. Right.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
And I want to sort of juxtapose so my origin story into becoming an attorney against your your passion led business. You know, for me, I'm twice your age, my generation coming out of college in law school in the mid nineties, our attitudes were a lot different. We're the kids of the baby boomers and our parents were go become a doctor, go become a lawyer, go do these things that other people in our family have done.
00;10;16;15 - 00;10;43;00
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Go bring honor to the family and things like that. Yeah. You know, your generation is a lot different in terms of pursuing passion, in terms of being able to take what you love and turning it into something that is, you know, that turns it that that helps your lifestyle but also helps your your business and helps you and gives you an opportunity to actually grow within an industry that you can ultimately find value in.
00;10;43;00 - 00;11;07;06
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Right. And I don't mean just value from the proverbial, oh, my heart feels really good, but the proverbial it puts money in your pocket. And I think you know your path and my path have been much different. But what I really like is how does this event in your life transition into I'm going to start an LLC, I am going to register with the Secretary of State.
00;11;07;18 - 00;11;33;01
Andrew J. Contiguglia
I am going to monetize my passion and I am going to put money in my pocket because at the end of the day, as much wonder and joy and passion and happiness we bring to people, your landlord, your mortgage payment doesn't take those things as payment. So we still have an obligation to still make money. How does your passion transition into starting your business?
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Cait Crowell
Yes, some background on that, I guess, a little bit, which kind of gives me a leg up just from white privilege of my own life that I'm just grateful for. But, you know, I think the privilege and hard work woven together and that's how you get to where you're at your world in some kind of way, no matter who we are.
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Cait Crowell
And so I grew up with a father who was raised by a single mom that was working multiple jobs to raise my dad's two brothers and my dad. Because of that, I think and his story and his journey was very resourceful and ended up building his own business. And I watched my dad build his own business and his own company as a financial advisor.
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Cait Crowell
And so I always had this like I can kind of do whatever I want. And I was told that as a kid, like, you know, if you want to work hard enough and create your own thing, you can. I grew up in a very entrepreneurial household. My dad was also in the military before I was born for eight years.
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Cait Crowell
And he's really like rough and tough, like gritty type of upbringing. And so I think going into the world as an adult with the experiences that I had had and the influences from my father and my family and friends and people that I ended up being surrounded by as I was growing up that just kind of put this idea in my mind of like, I can make my life whatever I want, if I'm willing to work hard enough and take advantage of the resources and the opportunities that I have.
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Cait Crowell
And so I think when I was going into college, I kind of always had this like, I don't know, I'm a very observant, very deep thinker. I have been since I was a kid. Like, I look back to journals and I was like, you know, like, geez, like, what was I thinking about? This shit is like a 12 year old or like 13 year old, just really deep thinker.
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Cait Crowell
And so I always just was reflective on the fact that there were a lot of people that were doing things that didn't like them up. And it's like, why spend so much of your time doing something that you don't like? I think there's a lot of these different influences that weighed into like I knew that when I was going to be working that I didn't want to work for someone else.
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Cait Crowell
I hate working for other people, but why.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
Was that important to you?
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Cait Crowell
I don't know, because I just knew that I was miserable working for other people. I mean, why do you have your own business? They're both hard wired in that way.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
Yes, I really don't. This is my interview, not yours.
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Cait Crowell
I'm going to a conversational moment of like, I think some people are hard wired and have the personality type and the strengths and the gifts to be a really great supportive role in another company like the Girls that work with me. Like I'm so grateful that they're hard wired the way that they are, you know, providing them with a job that they absolutely love and unending ability to make great money.
00;13;56;12 - 00;14;24;04
Cait Crowell
And I get to put my head on the chopping block and take the brunt of everything that we're doing and like put the team on my back and run with entrepreneurial chaos because that is what I love. So there's an element of, I think, knowing yourself really well in what you're doing. And that took me years to kind of figure out like, what's my role in turning this thing that I'm passionate about into a business that is sustainable, makes me happy, works for me, doesn't run me into the ground, right?
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Cait Crowell
Which is a constant balance, but I think I always knew that I wanted to have my own things, do my own thing, pace my own path. I'm very outside the box. I don't like to do things the typical way. I like to be different and I like to call my own shots. I'm very much like a feeler and a empathetic person, and I'm not good with strong routines and pluck and everything and like trying to be on time as much as I can.
00;14;49;11 - 00;14;56;01
Cait Crowell
And I was 5 minutes late today, but I'm like, That's a win. That feels like a good time to make sure it's like ten, 15 minutes. But for like.
00;14;56;02 - 00;15;15;14
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Me, it took me 15 years to decide that I want to work for myself. I mean I mean, there were events in my life that forced me early on out of the gate as a young lawyer in the mid-nineties that I wanted to go and start my own business and be my own, you know, hey, I'm the proverbial hanging up my own shingle kind of thing.
00;15;15;14 - 00;15;35;20
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Yeah. And it was a disaster for me. I hated it. I hated every moment of that two years. And I said, I can't do this. I need to go and I need to go join a law firm. I need to go learn some of these ins and outs, the things I didn't like about collecting money and and hustling clients, all those things.
00;15;35;20 - 00;16;00;03
Andrew J. Contiguglia
None of those things resonated with me at 25 years old. Yeah. And so but for you, this is different. You're in it. You're in it to win it. I mean, you are at the age now that I was when I first entered the legal profession. And it was your world and your I was I'll say, strength in wanting to venture out on your own, I think is remarkable.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
But I was terrified doing it on my own. I felt like I had to do it. I have no choice. How did you get over your fears? How did you get over your anxiety? And I don't mean I mean I don't mean like physical anxiety, things like that. But just like your fears of running a business and like what's going to happen if this completely bombs or what do I need to do to make sure this doesn't completely bomb?
00;16;25;04 - 00;16;47;07
Cait Crowell
Yeah. Jeez. And we did. I mean, soon. I mean, you know, my husband and we moved out here and he was actually one person that we met when I was a couple months, which is funny to reflect on watching grow up, you know, six, seven years, which is wild. But we moved out here from the D.C. area. We had saved up together $15,000.
00;16;47;07 - 00;17;12;10
Cait Crowell
We were engaged or planning our wedding or getting married out in Colorado. We're both from Michigan. In Pennsylvania. I went to college in D.C. Then I'm sharing this because we did have our backs against the wall, probably in a very different way than you did. And I also would like to say, you know, to the end of like the pressures that you felt in starting your own business at the time in the nineties is very different than like the pressures and things I think that I have experienced going through 2017 till now.
00;17;12;10 - 00;17;32;04
Cait Crowell
Like it's a totally different era. Technology is through the roof, you know, and this is a little one, but I am kind of of the thought that like if you can, I can figure out how to get shit together now, like I don't know who's going to help you figure out entrepreneurship and maybe you're just not built for and this is the easiest time to be an entrepreneur and work hard if you're willing to put in the work and figure it out.
00;17;32;04 - 00;17;51;01
Cait Crowell
There's YouTube videos for everything that people to connect with, with everything. So I think again, back to the resourcefulness and believing in yourself is huge. But yeah, I mean, handed out her $15,000. She had job offers in D.C. when we last to that were, you know, over six figures that we were like, great, we'll have over six figures.
00;17;51;01 - 00;18;08;26
Cait Crowell
I can build my business while we get started. And we naively thought that we were going to move to Denver. And these interviews that he had out here were going to translate the same way that they did in DC and they did not. And he got lowball offers, I think the best offer that he got was like $35,000 a year and build from there.
00;18;08;26 - 00;18;25;21
Cait Crowell
And it was just this corporate past that it was like, there's no way that we can live in Denver on a $35,000 a year salary with the two of us living downtown. And so I had always intended on starting my business, but I didn't know how. I didn't know where I was going to be in person. It was going to be a line or all these things that were up in the air.
00;18;25;21 - 00;18;40;11
Cait Crowell
And I had to figure it out. And so I think the biggest thing that drove me at that point in not failing and then putting it all together was like some of my strengths. I'm extroverted as hell. I'm happy to just walk into your office and be like, Hey, I think I want to start a business. Can you see that?
00;18;40;11 - 00;18;41;06
Cait Crowell
Well, see.
00;18;41;27 - 00;18;57;25
Andrew J. Contiguglia
That's that's all it's about. What happened? Yeah, pretty much. You're working with a close friend of ours, and I met you over at her office that one day, and you were answering her phone. This guy? Yeah, I know. Who's that guy? But, you know, she vouched for me, and we've been friends ever since, I.
00;18;57;25 - 00;19;05;14
Cait Crowell
Think a third year. So who's a stupid, talented lawyer? It's like the word before is.
00;19;06;05 - 00;19;09;17
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Really in all those passings with your daddy. Never introduce you to a lawyer now.
00;19;09;17 - 00;19;13;15
Cait Crowell
And so, I mean, I definitely heard about his lawyers and stuff where.
00;19;13;28 - 00;19;18;02
Andrew J. Contiguglia
We're harmless, we're harmless unless we're suing you. That's all different. That's different.
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Cait Crowell
That's true.
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Andrew J. Contiguglia
It was a little less friendly when when you have something we want is guns. Right? Exactly. Exactly.
00;19;26;17 - 00;19;38;21
Cait Crowell
But yeah, I mean, I think the things that drove me were just I wanted to do my own thing in my own way. And I just thought I got to learn to prove to myself and really have anything to prove to anyone else. And it was like I just wanted to see it as capable of. I think I'm hardwired that way.
00;19;38;21 - 00;19;55;13
Cait Crowell
Always have been like competitive gymnastics. Do you on track in college? There's just a part of me that's hard wired to figure it out. And in terms of fear like that question, you know, like, how are you not afraid? Like there's tons of other people in this business and the nutrition side of things that I think that like I was afraid of freaking terrified.
00;19;55;13 - 00;20;12;15
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Well, I've spoken to many of your Instagram followers because you're very generous. And in throwing me out there when we encounter one another and you're people have called me up and I've talked to them and they're like, I don't know how she does it, how I you to do this when I'm like, listen, there's a path to success here.
00;20;12;22 - 00;20;35;01
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Yeah. And proper guidance and proper methodology and doing the right things will get you there quicker. Yeah. And much safer than doing and not following those, those types of things. So here you are. You getting past your fears, your insecurities. Was this just sort of a jump in with both feet and let's just see if we can get this done?
00;20;35;08 - 00;20;50;02
Cait Crowell
Yeah, it was kind of like bucket like and if we move to Denver and we've got this city, I mean, we had we budgeted for six months, which is like, I don't know, I can stretch 15 grand across six months anymore this point in, like we would if we had to.
00;20;50;02 - 00;20;52;26
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Do almost five years ago though, here you are five years later.
00;20;52;26 - 00;21;11;08
Cait Crowell
Six years ago. Six years ago. So you're being here. But I mean, you figure it out when you want to leave. I'd know if you figure it out. At least I do. And I kind of don't really understand people who don't do that. I guess my mind just doesn't work that way. So I think there's there's just an element of like figure it out.
00;21;11;14 - 00;21;24;01
Cait Crowell
I'll figure it out. I mean, like, people talk about like sail forward and all this stuff and it's really easy and fun to talk about these things. You know, it's easy for me to say, like, you know, you just did it. Like it was terrifying and it was really hard, you know?
00;21;24;04 - 00;21;27;23
Andrew J. Contiguglia
What were you worried about? You'd go do what's going to happen?
00;21;27;23 - 00;21;51;21
Cait Crowell
You know, nothing. Yeah, it was it was really rough. Like, I would like to not go back and go do that stuff all over again. But I think what one thing that kept me going was like we were living in D.C., we had a great network there. You go to college out there. I was working at a restaurant, this really nice party table restaurant in D.C. I was making like $4,000 a month just waitressing, which at that point was like great money straight out of college.
00;21;51;21 - 00;22;08;11
Cait Crowell
Yeah, I had an amazing degree that I wasn't leveraging at the time, so I kind of had it in my mind. When we moved out here, it was like, we have six months to figure it out and one call that always sits in the back of my mind. And Stu had this on a sticky note all through college, on every desk that he had in every dorm room.
00;22;08;12 - 00;22;27;06
Cait Crowell
Sticky note, handwritten in his little handwriting that said, you're always smart enough to figure it out. And there's something that is always in my mind and it's something that was in my mind when you moved out here and we had 15 K and like thought he was going to get all these jobs and he didn't and he's like first in his class student athlete and the like.
00;22;27;06 - 00;22;50;10
Cait Crowell
Unbelievable. Who the hell is not going to hire him? And no one did. He started painting houses for $10 an hour and got an internship for $15 an hour. And it's like, you just do something, you just start somewhere. And so for me, like the woman that Andy was talking about that we have, you know, a colleague in common, colleague of mine, I just like I was going to her for support in for treatment with health issues and anxiety and and gastro.
00;22;50;10 - 00;23;09;12
Cait Crowell
So she's been a pivotal role in like my own health journey. But I asked for a job. I was like, hey, I'm trying to build my business. And like, we're running out of money. Like, do you have anything that I can help you with? Is there anyone you can introduce me to? And like, I had plenty of hands shaking, awkward, uncomfortable conversations through those years.
00;23;09;12 - 00;23;25;07
Cait Crowell
And even like first couple clients that I got, I remember being like, Why have these people want to work with me? And just like shaking and being like, hopefully my voice isn't shaking on this phone call with this client, but like, we need it and like, this is really what I want. So I think there's an element of like, you do, it scared, you just do it.
00;23;25;10 - 00;23;40;21
Cait Crowell
And but once you do it, you're like, cool. I can do that. And you like, surprise yourself. And then you keep doing it and then it just becomes part of what you do. And I would say at this point, you know, going into my sixth year with everything, it's not necessarily that it gets easier. You just get better at the things that used to be really bad.
00;23;40;21 - 00;23;51;08
Cait Crowell
I used to really be afraid of. And like, there's still things that I'm afraid of and there's still things that I'm not good at. And there's always something more. And there isn't like a clear formula with business. You just figure it out as you go.
00;23;51;09 - 00;24;11;18
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Tell us about a time that you just felt like you were in over your head that you felt like you were in complete hell. You were like, Oh, my God, oh, good, there's more than one. Why did we do this? I mean, what was keeping you up at night at the early phases of your business? And what did you do to overcome this?
00;24;11;18 - 00;24;14;06
Andrew J. Contiguglia
I mean, I'll leave it up to you. I know that you have.
00;24;14;12 - 00;24;14;17
Cait Crowell
Like.
00;24;14;25 - 00;24;42;07
Andrew J. Contiguglia
A history and you have some you have a history of anxiety. You've been very open about your anxiety and what you've happened or what you've had to do to overcome your anxiety. And not just like, Oh, I worry that I left the kettle on the stove, but like now I fear like, like covering your head in the middle of the day and wrapping yourself up in a blaze and not wanting to move for hours on end, if not days on end.
00;24;42;08 - 00;24;45;21
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Yeah, that issue in your world, in your life.
00;24;45;21 - 00;24;46;03
Cait Crowell
Yeah.
00;24;46;13 - 00;24;51;24
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Smash that up against the entrepreneurial spirit.
00;24;51;24 - 00;24;52;23
Cait Crowell
Death grip the.
00;24;53;05 - 00;25;17;25
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Grip that the trust, the proverbial trough of sorrow, entrepreneurship. That it how I mean, here you are. I mean it seems like it could be sort of this never ending cycle of worry, anxiety. I'm never going to succeed. And then another component of you going, like, I really want to succeed in another, you know, another part of you going like, no, you know, just stay under the covers today.
00;25;17;26 - 00;25;36;21
Andrew J. Contiguglia
I mean, how are you getting through this period of your life where you have like you have forces pulling against each other. You have one that is telling you you're never going to do this and you can't live up to this. And another spirit telling you bullshit, let's go. How are you overcoming this?
00;25;38;00 - 00;26;05;00
Cait Crowell
You're choosing which one you want. I think a lot of it comes down to a choice and it's not always easy and you don't always want to do it, but you just choose the thing that you know is right in the moment. I think we're all kind of hard wired. Was like, What's right and what's wrong and what's going to be productive and what's not going to be productive and like probably 80% of the time I would like to do shit that's not productive, but I don't choose it because I know if I choose those things and I choose, then too frequently I'm really going to end up in a place that I don't want
00;26;05;00 - 00;26;22;23
Cait Crowell
to be, whether that's like mentally, emotionally or quite literally. Like I'm not happy with my life and I'm not doing things that light me up. Usually when you get into the habit of creating a life that you want and running the kind of business that you want or doing anything that you want and dream of in your life is like you're creating new habits that you're consistently choosing the kind of person that you want to be.
00;26;22;23 - 00;26;46;04
Cait Crowell
And what would that person be doing and what would that look like? And I don't know that I necessarily was like, what kind of person do I want to be? And choices like it's not that when you're I can say that now looking back at it, but I think it's just consistent, repetitive decisions and the direction that you would like to go and keeping up with those correct decisions, even when it's hard, even when you don't want to, even when it's not fun.
00;26;46;14 - 00;27;02;26
Cait Crowell
The other thing, too, is like another thing I keep in the back of my head is like, sometimes you don't need to quit, you just need to take a break. Sometimes you just need to like not fucking work for a week or you need to take the weekend off and like throw your phone against a wall and make sure all the little fingers do it and like take a break from everything.
00;27;02;28 - 00;27;17;18
Cait Crowell
Yeah, it is a lot. I mean, entrepreneurship. I saw this a handful of times to her people and I know you can resonate with this, doing this longer than I have, but I feel like entrepreneurship is one of those things that is so much more than just like building a business or having a dream or wanting to work hard.
00;27;17;18 - 00;27;25;27
Cait Crowell
There's an element of like part of you just likes to get your ass walked and figure out if you have what it takes to some extent. And there's an element of how.
00;27;25;27 - 00;27;27;03
Andrew J. Contiguglia
You felt going through this.
00;27;27;03 - 00;27;45;01
Cait Crowell
Bring yourself here for sure, because there's things that come up in business. It's like, you know, and it's not just working with people or the practicalities of having a business, but it's all the back end emotional baggage and like the proverbial trough of sorrow that you're joking about, like it will take you to those places that you kind of don't want to go that are like deep within yourself.
00;27;45;01 - 00;27;58;29
Cait Crowell
It's like, Are you going to look at this? What do you want to do about this? And in order to like move into those next levels of entrepreneurship, you kind of have to look your demons in the face and deal with it if you want to keep moving forward. At least that's how I've kind of experienced some of these things that business is like.
00;27;59;04 - 00;28;21;24
Cait Crowell
It's so much more than just like, Oh, I help people with nutrition. Like, you know, entrepreneurship really has been every possible human emotion I can think of to the nth degree at one point or another. And it's really shaped like my character and who I am and what I've proven to myself and what I think about myself. And, you know, it's a confidence boost is the biggest actual thing I've ever had.
00;28;21;24 - 00;28;39;09
Cait Crowell
It's like the most joy that I've had. It's the most low lows I've ever had. It's like everything in between. I think that's what we're supposed to experience as humans. And so there's an element of like humbleness to the entrepreneurial journey. But I mean, there's a lot more times that I'm like, Fuck this, I'm not doing this for me.
00;28;39;09 - 00;28;46;06
Cait Crowell
I took like eight months off of my business through 2020, which I decided before the pandemic and everything hit like a break.
00;28;46;06 - 00;29;06;00
Andrew J. Contiguglia
And so I remember talking to you about it. I remember. Yeah, I think we had a discussion about you, just like I just need a break. And it was I mean, you have a solid Instagram following. And I remember you telling your your people, guys, I'm taking a break. I'm out. Peace out. It's I'm gone for however long this takes.
00;29;06;14 - 00;29;37;12
Andrew J. Contiguglia
And I need to just sort of recharge my batteries and get everything together. But you use that time, I think, for not just recharging, but rebuilding and redirecting yourself and pivoting and really trying to redefine your business, your goals, what you wanted to accomplish in nutrition. So this wasn't just a, hey, I'm going to sit on my couch all day and sit bone broth and drink tea.
00;29;37;12 - 00;29;42;21
Andrew J. Contiguglia
This was real. Get down in the guts, figure to and literally.
00;29;42;25 - 00;29;43;15
Cait Crowell
Look up.
00;29;44;25 - 00;29;51;20
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Of of how you're going to reorganize yourself and redevelop your business and move it forward. Tell us about that.
00;29;51;26 - 00;30;08;05
Cait Crowell
Yeah. I mean, during that time leading up to just for some background, for people that don't know me, I, like Andy said, was doing a lot of influence marketing his first couple years of business. Again, my husband and I moved out to Denver, didn't we knew one person, one person that my husband had gone to high school with who had moved out here.
00;30;08;15 - 00;30;33;14
Cait Crowell
And yeah, it was it was a rough time. And so, I mean, I was working through trying to figure out how to make money to contribute to this thing that like this pipe dream that we had of living out west, doing things differently. We didn't want to get stuck in like the proverbial rat race of climbing the corporate ladder, which, you know, what I got dealing with in D.C. would have gotten in that we would have ended up feeling trapped at a young age and then like into afraid to leave.
00;30;33;14 - 00;30;49;08
Cait Crowell
So we were like, That's Band-Aid off. Let's just do it now. Like, screw, we have nothing to lose. And I'm so glad we did that, but it was very hard. So, I mean, when we were out here kind of working through everything and it just kind of brought me to this point and it was like, you know, we just have to figure everything out.
00;30;49;08 - 00;31;07;01
Cait Crowell
And I ended up again working with somebody else on like Commission for Marketing and sales and kind of building my own brand and influencer marketing became a thing. And when I got into influencer marketing, it was this thing that was like, You didn't know what a sponsored post was or what a sponsored book wasn't. There were no rules and regulations around.
00;31;07;01 - 00;31;11;05
Cait Crowell
It was like a wild, wild west. It was awesome. I was like, Hey, I know. And he was like.
00;31;12;16 - 00;31;37;25
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Oh no, no. The funny thing is quick, quick, little, quick, little segway here. The Federal Trade Commission, just within the last four or five days, put in a whole new set of regulations for commentary to go into place about influencer marketing and a little personal of posting more stuff about this. But basically the FTC thing, like even when you tag a company in a post, that's an endorsement.
00;31;38;05 - 00;31;41;27
Andrew J. Contiguglia
So if you're receiving anything so, so every time that you're like in it.
00;31;41;27 - 00;31;42;12
Cait Crowell
All.
00;31;42;15 - 00;32;05;21
Andrew J. Contiguglia
At whatever, pick your pick your sponsor of whatever drink you're drinking at that moment, they are calling that an endorsement. And you have to be accurate in your disseminated to everybody. We are all marketing. Yep, that's exactly. So you have to be truthful in what you are promoting when it comes to those products or you have to disclose that you're not being endorsed by that.
00;32;05;21 - 00;32;23;14
Andrew J. Contiguglia
So like you put something up and you go, Hey, look, I'm wearing these awesome shoes and you tag the shoe brand in your post. And if you're being paid or if something was given to you for free or anything in that respect, you got to disclose that. Anyway, that's a quick little, little, little tidbit segway. But let's get back to what you were saying.
00;32;23;19 - 00;32;37;17
Cait Crowell
Like now, because in the first couple of years you like and you admit you were like my Instagram, please, just like, oh, like, just leave me alone. But if you always have that and I, I've never had any legal issues, knock on one.
00;32;37;19 - 00;32;37;29
Andrew J. Contiguglia
From.
00;32;37;29 - 00;32;42;12
Cait Crowell
Instagram. From Instagram. Well, I haven't really had many other legal issues.
00;32;42;27 - 00;32;46;15
Andrew J. Contiguglia
So we've had legal problems. We've had some legal events.
00;32;46;15 - 00;32;49;25
Cait Crowell
Ahead of potential issues. We have. But I've never.
00;32;49;25 - 00;32;53;22
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Had. No, you have not. And that is good because you have been.
00;32;54;00 - 00;32;54;06
Cait Crowell
Great.
00;32;54;13 - 00;33;05;04
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Preventative in your legal attitude. And, you know, kudos to you. You always are running things by me because before you do something, scare the shit.
00;33;05;05 - 00;33;07;16
Cait Crowell
Out of me.
00;33;07;16 - 00;33;12;20
Andrew J. Contiguglia
You're not supposed to be scared by what I'm telling you. You're supposed to be empowered by what I tell you.
00;33;12;24 - 00;33;23;02
Cait Crowell
Tell my team. Like my biggest fear is that I'm accidentally doing something illegal and I'm going to end up in jail and be alone by myself with my own thoughts and terrified. So anyway.
00;33;23;06 - 00;33;25;06
Andrew J. Contiguglia
That's not going to happen. Nothing like that's.
00;33;25;06 - 00;33;26;28
Cait Crowell
Going to happen. Stuff.
00;33;26;28 - 00;33;53;08
Andrew J. Contiguglia
So let's get let's get back to it. So we're at this point in your story where you are, it's the beginning of COVID. It's mid 2020, you have shut your life off of Instagram. You are now refocusing, rebuilding, sort of put yourself in a cocoon. So you could take your little caterpillar self and metamorphosis into a beautiful butterfly, into something like that, like that visual.
00;33;53;18 - 00;33;56;17
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Is that what it is exactly? Yeah.
00;33;56;17 - 00;34;10;29
Cait Crowell
Yeah. I mean, well, in a nutshell, did a ton of influencer marketing. I was trying to find ways to make money as I was making the most money and it was awesome as well was There are no rules. And then I started the rules and then I started to hate it because I hate rules and I want to do my own thing.
00;34;11;05 - 00;34;38;01
Cait Crowell
And so I am pretty sure. But yeah, through COVID, let's see, I had actually this was late February, I had signed a deal, the largest brand partnership deal that I'd had at that point. I had an agent that I was working with for a couple of years who was out of New York City. Awesome guy, like negotiating all of my deals and I was running things that I usually get a great flow of influence, brand partnerships that I was making, great money doing all this, and I was working with some nutrition clients, right?
00;34;38;12 - 00;34;55;18
Cait Crowell
But I was burning out. I was starting to feel like my purpose wasn't being that. I felt like I was a pawn. I felt like I was just just like marketing. And I ended up having, like, a schedule and, like, deadlines and all the shit from all these fricking companies and these rules. And I'll say this and you can't say that, and I was like, I love this.
00;34;55;18 - 00;35;01;02
Cait Crowell
This is not why I started my own business. I wanted to work when I wanted to work and do things. Now I want to do things.
00;35;01;02 - 00;35;04;29
Andrew J. Contiguglia
So wait a minute. I am the talent I it's my schedule.
00;35;04;29 - 00;35;17;03
Cait Crowell
Your schedule is so pissed and I was so burnt out. And so there's like an incendiary funny 20. I had signed like a $20,000 deal or like two or three months with this large grocery chain.
00;35;17;23 - 00;35;17;27
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Right?
00;35;17;27 - 00;35;26;05
Cait Crowell
Well, you like one blog post a month and like one Instagram story. And like I was on the where I was like, this is stupid. Like, it just made me mad.
00;35;26;05 - 00;35;34;00
Andrew J. Contiguglia
I know what made you what it made you were but what made you mad about all of that? Because I remember this event in your world.
00;35;34;04 - 00;35;34;24
Cait Crowell
Reminded me.
00;35;34;24 - 00;35;46;00
Andrew J. Contiguglia
I am going to be like, Here's what you didn't like. You didn't like the deadlines. You're like, like me. I hate deadlines. And yet I live in a world of deadline.
00;35;46;01 - 00;35;46;09
Cait Crowell
To say.
00;35;46;21 - 00;36;17;04
Andrew J. Contiguglia
I can't stand it. I'm forced. But much like you, you hated the deadlines. And what you hated was crap. I need to do. I need to go and I need to go pretend to like some apples and pick them up and do a blog post about them for this grocery chain. And it was one of these things where I pressures the wrong word, but the pressure of having to meet those deadlines really frustrated you and cut against your creativity 100%.
00;36;17;04 - 00;36;26;05
Andrew J. Contiguglia
And I think that it became a component of what really sort of drew you away from wanting to even do that anymore, 100%.
00;36;26;05 - 00;36;47;22
Cait Crowell
And I also didn't enjoy being in the limelight. I was doing all these other things in my own personal life. And I'm very curious here in person, but I was like, There's things I don't want to share, but I felt that I wasn't sharing them and I was going through a hard time. And we had also met a lot of friends who were in the influence marketing sphere in Denver and like who I thought they were online come to find out they're completely not in real life.
00;36;47;23 - 00;37;10;08
Cait Crowell
And I was like, This is not the kind of thing that I want to be associated with. So there is like multiple facets of this influence marketing world from like my day to day, from a work standpoint to the people that I was integrated with to like what I really didn't was the authenticity of having to write a blog post a month ahead of time that's going to go out next month that I have to act like in the moment.
00;37;10;08 - 00;37;26;22
Cait Crowell
I'm actually doing that when I did it a month ago. Right, and then weaving that into my current day, it was just too much to keep track of the total loss that I got, enjoy the people that I was around, and enjoy the work that I was doing. And I was like, I am better than this and I have more to offer than just putting out all these products.
00;37;26;22 - 00;37;46;13
Cait Crowell
And it just got to the point where I was like, in over my head, I felt super overwhelmed and like, I was reflecting back multiple times on you, bringing up at the beginning of like, you're going to have to pick one. You can't be a full on nutrition business and be full on influencer marketing. You have two things you should whole like one thing, and that's what I was like tapped out.
00;37;46;13 - 00;38;04;16
Cait Crowell
I had signed it right before I signed this big contract and wait February, I was like I told myself, I think I told my husband and I was like, I'm done. Any other brand new that comes in, I'm done. I'm not doing it. I want to focus on my nutrition business. And then that one came in. My husband was like 20 grand for like a couple of months ago.
00;38;04;17 - 00;38;05;07
Cait Crowell
Like, just do it.
00;38;05;07 - 00;38;24;09
Andrew J. Contiguglia
No, I mean, I agree with the business side of things. I'm like, what is it? I mean, this is three months out of your life to get 20 grand and you to experiment with it. And it and the commitment that you had in putting that together at this time was minimal. It had the time available to do it.
00;38;24;10 - 00;38;26;02
Cait Crowell
Oh yeah. It was like no big deal.
00;38;26;04 - 00;38;56;25
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Yeah, so do it. But you know, you needed the experience and you brought up or you used a very, I think, a real good word in your analysis of all of this. And that was authentic. Yeah. Because your whole history and your whole story stems from authenticity. Yeah. With your time traveling in Bangladesh, through your time wanting to help people in nutrition, moving out here, everything that you did up to this point was authentic.
00;38;56;25 - 00;39;10;18
Andrew J. Contiguglia
How you built your following on Instagram was through. Yeah, keep being key if and now all of a sudden you are thrust into this where you have to follow deadlines, you have to follow.
00;39;11;00 - 00;39;11;18
Cait Crowell
That person.
00;39;11;27 - 00;39;28;25
Andrew J. Contiguglia
And you have to be a particular way. And you in the process of this, as you mentioned, you're losing your authenticity that I think is integral to, I think, those of us who are running businesses and not only understanding yourself, but being authentic to yourself. Yeah.
00;39;28;25 - 00;39;43;03
Cait Crowell
And I mean, I was young. I'm 29 now, but like, I spent most of my twenties and he's like insane things. And there's an element of like, I don't, I don't have a ton in common with people my age. While I am pretty low hanging out in your joints my age. And you're like one of my best friends.
00;39;43;03 - 00;39;43;25
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Twice your age. Not quite.
00;39;43;29 - 00;40;01;11
Cait Crowell
So I feel like a lot of our friends are just gone. We have more in common, like it's just for whatever reason the sympathizers I love, I wouldn't change anything. But like we just, you know, my husband and I have just kind of gone through things really quickly at a young age and it's been like quite the wild ride.
00;40;01;11 - 00;40;20;12
Cait Crowell
But there is there is wholly an element of inauthenticity was definitely I would agree it was the hardest thing and I was like, I need to fully detach and get my head out of this space and remember who I am and what my values are and what I like and what I don't like and what I am willing to do, what I'm not willing to do.
00;40;20;15 - 00;40;35;23
Cait Crowell
The other thing to influence marketing and sharing so much of your life is like you become this persona, you become this character, you become this like highlight reel and you become this character for other people. They have an expectation and they think that they know you, they don't know you.
00;40;36;07 - 00;40;36;22
Andrew J. Contiguglia
It's right.
00;40;36;23 - 00;40;52;19
Cait Crowell
There's an element of like I would need people. I'd be like, Oh, okay, with all of you, I know you. And then it was almost like since they felt so close to me, they would go into these, like, really deep relationships and opening up and it's like, I just met you. I don't feel comfortable actually talking about these things.
00;40;52;19 - 00;40;54;02
Cait Crowell
So I had to kind of check like.
00;40;54;02 - 00;40;55;19
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Well, that happened a couple of times to you.
00;40;55;19 - 00;41;10;25
Cait Crowell
One person, yes. In real life. And I was like, who? I can be friends with these people. But it's like, why does this person want to be so close to me so fast? Like a red flag in the friendship? And so there's a lot of things, not just online, but in real life, that all this stuff impacted me in such an intense way.
00;41;10;25 - 00;41;33;14
Cait Crowell
And I was like, I and I will say, this is one thing. Another just part of who I am as a person is I have a very strong moral compass, internal compass. And if I'm feeling something strongly and I don't listen to it, I am miserable. And so I've learned to just listen to that. Should I do this is God being like, Hey, Kate, maybe this direction instead of this direction that's making you miserable.
00;41;33;14 - 00;41;51;05
Cait Crowell
And so in that time I had felt for months like, I need to get off Instagram, I need to get off Instagram, I need to stop doing projects, you know? And I had all of these feelings and I was like, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. It probably took me six months to pull it because and that's that's the fear right there is like, well, why am I without this stuff?
00;41;51;05 - 00;42;11;02
Cait Crowell
And what am I going to do with my day? And what am my husband going to go to work all day? And I'm by myself all day. Like when I go to work, what am I going to do? But I knew that what I was doing I couldn't keep doing because it was making me miserable. And the fear of the unknown was paled in comparison to the fear that I had of like, what does it look like if I just keep going against my self in this way?
00;42;11;03 - 00;42;26;15
Cait Crowell
So I had to pull the plug on it and I strongly felt that I needed to fully detach from everything. I had been working my ass off in survival mode for those like four and a half, five years straight, since we had moved out here, before we moved out here, no one called me Kate. Everyone called me Caitlyn.
00;42;26;21 - 00;42;50;19
Cait Crowell
I was Caitlyn. I really the whole alter from single was not like you call student Kate and she's a nutritionist like it was this whole other identity that I think that I had it like knee deep was or knew if I liked it or if that's what I wanted. And so there was an element of, you know, my own identity and finding myself too, where I just kind of got blinded in survival mode, like I to make money, we need to be successful so we can live.
00;42;51;05 - 00;43;13;12
Cait Crowell
And there is a lot of authentic pieces of who I was when I was doing all those things that I was putting out there. But there were like deep underlying pieces that I was like, I don't know what if this is what I want career wise to if I feel like this is aligned with my purpose? Three If I'm feeling authentic in the way that I'm showing up, even though I have to lie to my followers about this post and whoever it was, it just started weighing on me really heavily.
00;43;13;12 - 00;43;38;08
Cait Crowell
But yeah, I pulled everything. I spent eight, nine months, I think actually ten full months off of Instagram. And I wasn't even sure that I really wanted to come back. But like you said, during that time, I mean, I was like soul searching, working really hard at journal more than I've ever journal in my life, you know, spending a lot of time families spending a lot of time with friends that I hadn't seen in a while that like, saw me for who I was and made me feel like I could just be myself.
00;43;38;08 - 00;43;58;23
Cait Crowell
And there were no expectations used to being in these environments where I had to show up in the way that people expected me to. It's like, who the hell wants to do that? So it was kind of recalibrating. And then I started working with a business mentor who, you know, at the core of it is really helps me understand myself better and why I wasn't enjoying what I was doing.
00;43;58;24 - 00;44;16;23
Cait Crowell
Like, why wasn't it authentic? What would be more authentic? And the biggest thing, and I still work with this business mentor, but the biggest thing that I learned during that time was looking at my personality, my strengths, and like what I'm hardwired for and just to do that, like I don't have to do all the things. I don't have to be the celebrant or that where's all the hats?
00;44;16;23 - 00;44;32;21
Cait Crowell
Like, I need help. And he really helped me in figuring out, you know, asking the question of who, not how sort of like, how can I do this? Like, who can help me do this and who wants to help me do this? And I also just learned through this whole chapter of like really determining, like, do I even want to be in this field?
00;44;32;21 - 00;44;47;16
Cait Crowell
Is this a passion that is just mine that I just got to have for myself and my family and my friends, that I get to help people in a circle? Or is this something that I should be making money off of? Is making money and turning it into this, you know, turning it into a business, ruining it for me?
00;44;47;16 - 00;45;03;11
Cait Crowell
And what is that? What does that mean? And I think that I ask myself that question often, especially thinking about how to go on having kids soon. And I'm like, do I want to spend my energy giving this to everybody else or do I need it for myself right now? Right. Kind of a continual thing to pass through.
00;45;03;11 - 00;45;06;20
Cait Crowell
And, you know, there's no right or wrong. It changes all seasons.
00;45;06;22 - 00;45;40;15
Andrew J. Contiguglia
So what did you end up doing? And in terms of like the real like nuts and bolts of how transitioned your business, so you morphed it into what you are currently running today and your team and your organization in providing group therapy or group coaching I think is in group nutritional coaching and in individual one on ones. What during that time, during that ten months where you're rebuilding not only yourself mentally but also your business physically, witnessing what's happened during that time, where did you decide or why did you decide to change it into what you're currently running today?
00;45;40;19 - 00;45;50;25
Cait Crowell
Great question. The biggest thing that I realized is personality wise on Myers-Briggs, on the NSP, okay, I'm all over the fucking place. I'm like multi passionate, like I can't stick.
00;45;51;07 - 00;45;53;02
Andrew J. Contiguglia
I think I am to never see.
00;45;53;04 - 00;46;12;22
Cait Crowell
My research and I hate deadlines and like, I can't be held down and held down and the creativity dies and I'm miserable. There's an element of entrepreneurship that gives me this creative outlet of ideas around. And so I realized like, I'm really good as like the founder of something, right? But I'm not always did it. Carrying everything out to its fullest potential.
00;46;12;22 - 00;46;15;23
Cait Crowell
And what I would really actually like to see is I need help doing that.
00;46;15;23 - 00;46;17;23
Andrew J. Contiguglia
You're a visionary, not an implementer.
00;46;17;23 - 00;46;37;17
Cait Crowell
Yes, I can suck at implementation. Like I'm really good at being like, here's where we are, here's where I'd like to be. I don't know how the hell to build the bridge. So I needed a real bridge builder to bring into the team, and I hadn't really ever hired people before. And so, yeah, I just realized that if I wanted to see this come to fruition, if I wanted to do this in a different way, it needed to be bigger than me.
00;46;37;17 - 00;46;57;25
Cait Crowell
And I can't do everything because I don't have all the skills to do what needs to be done. I'm not organized. I'm not just this only things that not. And I was like ahead instead of beating myself up and forcing myself to do it and making myself miserable, I need to find somebody else who loves doing the shit that I hate as much as I love doing the things that I love.
00;46;58;00 - 00;47;17;21
Cait Crowell
Right? And so that kind of opened up space to, okay, I'm going to hire someone, which was a whole other entrepreneurial idea of like, how am I going to pay somebody a full time salary when I, I don't know if I'm going to be able to make that, but it was kind of this weird sense of trust. And I heard my dad say this many times, you got to spend money to make money.
00;47;17;21 - 00;47;33;22
Cait Crowell
And I just kept telling myself that like, just trust it. You got to spend money and make money. And so then I knew that my ability to, you know, I think founder of Gallup organization, great books inspire 2.0. You take a test, figure out what your top five strengths are.
00;47;33;22 - 00;47;35;01
Andrew J. Contiguglia
I did mine. You want to see mine when we're.
00;47;35;01 - 00;47;38;14
Cait Crowell
Done, let's do it. That's one of my top strengths is woo.
00;47;38;27 - 00;47;42;28
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Oh, interesting. Mine's not, but it's.
00;47;45;01 - 00;47;45;07
Cait Crowell
Your.
00;47;45;21 - 00;47;46;02
Andrew J. Contiguglia
World.
00;47;46;02 - 00;47;57;21
Cait Crowell
So we got Woo is essentially just making people feel comfortable, confident, relaxed around you. Like I've had people tell me, like I just make everybody so comfortable.
00;47;57;23 - 00;48;01;13
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Yeah. That I may agree I might be at the bottom of my day on that.
00;48;01;29 - 00;48;04;17
Cait Crowell
Yeah. You know, people feel a little uncomfortable, but.
00;48;04;17 - 00;48;05;11
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Oh, come on.
00;48;06;03 - 00;48;11;15
Cait Crowell
You know, at first I was intimidated by it as different. Not like a warrior, like. And you're like, what is this?
00;48;12;07 - 00;48;13;04
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Yeah, but here, you.
00;48;13;04 - 00;48;13;23
Cait Crowell
Know, about.
00;48;13;23 - 00;48;18;08
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Me. Here we are seven years later, down to earth. It's a different world now, is it?
00;48;18;13 - 00;48;37;14
Cait Crowell
Well, all right, good. Yeah, we. I don't know. I learned all this about myself. Long story short. Ended up realizing, like, I got to hire people. So this involves I hired an operations manager, and it happened. She was multiple house at this point. And we're planning on bringing another admin on who's going to kind of pick up the slack now that we've grown a little bit.
00;48;37;29 - 00;48;54;08
Cait Crowell
But I brought her on first and I brought another nutritionist onto the team because we have so much demand for clients and I couldn't keep up with it and I felt like I was constantly drowning. So between the two of them, what we've been able to do is, like I had gone through the burnout wave, I had no problem hitting things.
00;48;54;14 - 00;49;01;13
Cait Crowell
I think that's the biggest thing that a lot of entrepreneurs are like. I, I don't trust in any projects off these people because they're not going to the right way, like.
00;49;01;23 - 00;49;03;02
Andrew J. Contiguglia
They're not going to do it. Your way.
00;49;03;09 - 00;49;04;29
Cait Crowell
Get over yourself your way with them.
00;49;05;04 - 00;49;06;29
Andrew J. Contiguglia
That's right. That is.
00;49;07;09 - 00;49;24;28
Cait Crowell
Absolutely. And that's why else do it in a better way than you would really sucking ed. It would be doing great. So, you know, a little bit of humbling where I was like, shit, okay, organize my am. I'm going to fully let go of what this looks like. And so no operations manager is a lot of all our back in organizational systems.
00;49;24;28 - 00;49;46;07
Cait Crowell
It's just unbelievable what she's created and the ideas that she has and like how excited she is about shit that I'm like, Why are you excited about this? But thank god someone is this right? So she keeps everything organized like hold our life together, holds business together. And then the nutritionist we have on the team, this has like the biggest heart for working with other people.
00;49;46;07 - 00;50;13;13
Cait Crowell
She'll go from like this. She said that from being out of the country and literally worked like eight and so like 5 p.m. back to back to back clients and like loves it and is energized and lit up about it. And it just makes me so happy that I have these awesome people on my team and I never thought through the hardships I went through in the early years of entrepreneurship, I never thought that me doing what I love would create space for other people to like, have their dream job and do what they love.
00;50;13;13 - 00;50;26;06
Cait Crowell
And they're like, I think I'd keep their head on the chopping block because I don't want to do that. I don't want to find clients. I don't want to be responsible for this, this and this, and to have to meet with an attorney and figure everything out. Like, I love that stuff. And so I never, I don't know.
00;50;26;06 - 00;50;46;17
Cait Crowell
I think when you get into solopreneur worship, you're thinking about yourself. You're thinking about your happiness. You want to make you think about the people that you want to help. And it wasn't until I Asian and stuff working for you know 8 to 10 months that I was like, do you need help? And like, I think that it would be a good thing for me.
00;50;46;17 - 00;51;03;19
Cait Crowell
And I said really amazing over the last year, over a year now watch these other people on what they do and that I get to like kind of co-create this with them now and like they're very much part of our creative process. They have ideas that I didn't have and the way that I think about it now is like we kind of went from one brain to three brains, right?
00;51;03;24 - 00;51;23;24
Cait Crowell
Right. And the way that I my business structured is that like, I want their input, I want their ideas, because if we're just going after what I know we're limited to, the things that we're able to do is are able to accomplish the ideas that we're going to have. I think some businesses really do themselves a disservice if they just take like person at the top and then you just create millions of yourself.
00;51;24;11 - 00;51;48;14
Cait Crowell
And then you have like one big company functioning off of like just one brain where you could just collaborate a little bit more hire out two people who have strengths that you don't have, and then you're working off of multiple brained ideas. And so that's a weird analogy, but that's kind of how I think about my company at this point is like we went from me being overwhelmed, being drained, being burnt out, trying to do everything and doing a bad job like I was doing a bad job.
00;51;48;14 - 00;52;05;18
Cait Crowell
I was progressive dating protocols. I would take like a week to week to get shit done here, right out there. We're getting broke, all of them now and I'm tired and I would do it and I didn't care. Right. That's not what it is. Absolutely. The things you actually really care about them. So anyway.
00;52;05;28 - 00;52;52;26
Andrew J. Contiguglia
I mean, you've been very fortunate in organizing your business and operating your business, engaging in influencer marketing, you know, entering into deals and creating opportunities for yourself. It's remarkable because I have not seen many business owners like you that have been able to avoid major legal issues in their startup phase of their business. There's always something that creeps in that they go, Oh my God, or something that they did early on in their business that is now coming back to sort of bite them in the ass now and for you, did you ever I mean, why was I know you joke about fear.
00;52;52;26 - 00;52;56;27
Andrew J. Contiguglia
You joke about me trying to scare you and do these things.
00;52;56;27 - 00;52;57;24
Cait Crowell
But as.
00;52;58;08 - 00;53;28;07
Andrew J. Contiguglia
I know, you're the age of my children. And so for me, I've been more of a mentor to you than a lawyer to you. Yeah. And it's been important to me to help educate you about things to be wary of as you grow and scale your business. So let's talk a little bit about the types of things that you've experienced and what you were fearful of and what we did and what you did to sort of make sure that these legal terrors didn't contribute to your anxieties and your fears as you grow your business.
00;53;28;09 - 00;53;50;06
Cait Crowell
Yeah, yeah. I think, number one, when I first started, I didn't know that I needed an LLC. I remember the first time we met and that, you know, our our friend's place. And I was like, Is this guy find out you're an attorney? And I was like, Oh my God, I actually have questions for you. I've been working with some clients on the side, on top of working with this person, and I've made like some money.
00;53;50;06 - 00;54;06;00
Cait Crowell
Do I need to pay taxes? Why? How does that work? Like, I had no idea. It was just so funny to think about. Now you're like, Well, how much money have you taken in? Like, I don't know, maybe like $2,000. And you're like, you need to set up an LLC. There's a threshold here. The rules are like these rules only stuff.
00;54;06;00 - 00;54;11;28
Cait Crowell
Like What can we need? Can you please help me? And you're like, okay. You're like, Well, me. Oh, come on.
00;54;11;28 - 00;54;14;23
Andrew J. Contiguglia
And I was much more receptive.
00;54;14;23 - 00;54;16;20
Cait Crowell
You know, like your friend to my friend in a.
00;54;17;16 - 00;54;17;23
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Way.
00;54;19;07 - 00;54;34;01
Cait Crowell
That will help me. But I have a lot to learn to like the legal system and set up an LLC and do all this stuff. I don't know what any of the questions mean and like I liken it to my dad being this any advice around like I don't want to understand all the terms are super boring. Can you just tell me what I need to do?
00;54;34;01 - 00;54;53;20
Cait Crowell
And I feel like that's telling her out with you was like, what's going to be important? Can you like walk me through this? And I remember the first thing we did was I came over in this office and we sat down and you helped me set up my LLC. Help me. You're still on my. I don't even know.
00;54;53;20 - 00;54;55;05
Cait Crowell
It's not like a custodian. What are you.
00;54;55;07 - 00;54;55;29
Andrew J. Contiguglia
The registered agent?
00;54;55;29 - 00;55;04;25
Cait Crowell
Registered agent? I see. On another term, another business. Like some. It was like, what's that? And you're like, Just put me down for that. I'll take care of I'll.
00;55;04;25 - 00;55;16;19
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Take care of that. Registered agent is the person who will receive process in the event somebody ever wants to sue you. Yes, that's right. Yes. There you go. You learn something similar story.
00;55;16;29 - 00;55;26;19
Cait Crowell
One thing with the LLC, the only thing that I learned about was certificate of good standing of state and having to do that every year and getting it done on time.
00;55;26;19 - 00;55;51;27
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Periodic Report and getting those done. Yep. Keeping everybody appraised that you are still a business in good standing with the state. And in most states, if not all states, most national banks now will allow you to open up a business bank account unless you have a certificate of good standing for your business. So that's a requirement most times and nowadays most banks and everybody I've been dealing with now has.
00;55;52;05 - 00;56;17;15
Andrew J. Contiguglia
If you're going to open up a new business account, you need, if you're a corporation need bylaws, if you're an LLC, you need an operating agreement. And the banks are requiring those to be, you know, to be in place before they're even allow you to open a business bank account. And what I find most people doing under these circumstances is they'll just hop online, they'll go get some generic LLC agreement, or they'll just do a quick Google search.
00;56;17;15 - 00;56;25;27
Andrew J. Contiguglia
And like I did not pretty agreement, whatever it is. And they'll go and they'll they'll say, oh yeah, this looks good and they'll sign it for them and their business partners will sign it.
00;56;25;29 - 00;56;26;22
Cait Crowell
You don't know.
00;56;26;22 - 00;56;36;08
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Exactly. You have no clue. They have no. Yeah. No understanding as to what this real legal relationship.
00;56;36;19 - 00;56;37;01
Cait Crowell
Yeah.
00;56;37;12 - 00;56;39;22
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Just they just got into. Yeah.
00;56;39;23 - 00;56;57;03
Cait Crowell
And they mean it seriously before we even met and you were like, there's things you want to get ahead of. You think before you can said that to me and I don't know it's because I grew up in a that is a financial advisor and there's like a weight of like the seriousness of some of these laws and rules were things that like, I just kind of had that in the back of my head.
00;56;57;03 - 00;57;16;00
Cait Crowell
And you know, I'm a little bit of a rebel on that, 100% of a rule follower. But I also don't want to like screw myself. And I think when I was starting my business, I was just like, you know, meeting you was total serendipity. I, I don't think that if you hadn't walked into the office that I was working in, that I would have been like, I'm starting my business and I need a lawyer.
00;57;16;05 - 00;57;19;03
Andrew J. Contiguglia
So we absolutely have an Amber to thank for that.
00;57;19;20 - 00;57;41;03
Cait Crowell
100%. And you, I think and I would say to anybody who's thinking of starting a business, no matter how big or small like you should have a lawyer, you somebody where you can have a relationship with them and look them in the eye and ask questions. And everything is so bio individual and individualized. Like, my business is very different than any other business that you work with and so is every other business.
00;57;41;03 - 00;57;53;21
Cait Crowell
And so I think it's been such a great resource and such a guest and such an, you know, something that I'm immensely grateful for that I can do like candy. Am I going to go to jail if I do this? This is in this. Can we get breakfast and like.
00;57;54;03 - 00;57;55;05
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Am I going to get sued?
00;57;55;09 - 00;58;07;11
Cait Crowell
I'm going to get sued. And I got to like if I'm letting the person go, what do I need them to sign so that they can't come back and screw me at some point or yeah, I'm hiring people. And what types of things need to be in my contract or what?
00;58;07;11 - 00;58;07;29
Andrew J. Contiguglia
That you're.
00;58;08;05 - 00;58;08;18
Cait Crowell
So many.
00;58;08;18 - 00;58;09;23
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Things. Yeah, so.
00;58;09;23 - 00;58;27;25
Cait Crowell
Many things I like I'm on. It kind of goes back to like, you know, I went through this five years and but like, thank God legal stuff wasn't a part of that because that would have been a whole other weight on me. But I'm so glad that you and I have built a relationship from the beginning because it has helped me avoid things I think is in a a not a unique situation.
00;58;27;25 - 00;58;45;05
Cait Crowell
Like I don't I don't think much of my situation other than that just is what I'm experiencing. Right. But you see way more than I do in the business legal realm. I honestly think a huge part of that is because we met and you've helped me from day one and you've asked me important questions and you've helped me get ahead of anything that would have.
00;58;45;05 - 00;59;02;06
Cait Crowell
I'd be shocked if something did happen, because it's been on our P's and Q's legally since day one. We're going to disagree with you forever, respect you really get out and you do need to work with the lawyer. You set up an LLC. A lot of people think I did. Yeah, I didn't know what a registry agent was.
00;59;02;06 - 00;59;24;08
Andrew J. Contiguglia
I always look at the situation like this. If when you go get in your car, you have no legal requirement to put on your seatbelt, but you're taking a risk every time you get in your car and you drive without your seatbelt. So you put your seatbelt on. So what's the harm in hiring a lawyer at the onset of your business and getting good counsel?
00;59;24;15 - 00;59;46;12
Andrew J. Contiguglia
So you can remain safe as you grow because your the legal issues you're dealing with now are different than, oh, than they were when you started your business later on. And I'm not suggesting by any means that you're facing legal issues because you're not. But the point being when you have it is it's more complex. You have you have employees.
00;59;46;27 - 01;00;20;21
Andrew J. Contiguglia
You have a lot more clients or customers. Yes, you have. Oh, yeah, absolutely. There is more liability. There are insurance issues. And eventually you're not at this stage yet, but you will be probably sooner than you think. And that is the people who are with you now are going to want to join with you at some point, or are there going to be others who you're going to want to team up with and partner up with and you're going to want to share equity and you're going to want to build a brand and a business together.
01;00;20;21 - 01;00;37;19
Andrew J. Contiguglia
And those are going to create their own sets of legal issues down the line. And I don't doubt for a moment that you're going to come to me when the issue comes up and I will coach you through what you need to be aware of so you can grow and be you know, your growth can be successful.
01;00;37;28 - 01;00;38;10
Cait Crowell
Yes.
01;00;38;19 - 01;00;52;24
Andrew J. Contiguglia
So as you grow, your legal issues become more prevalent. And I always I'm a firm I'm a firm believer in the more you grow, the more people want a piece of you in both good and bad. Yeah. And that and it's.
01;00;52;24 - 01;00;55;18
Cait Crowell
Really work out a little bit later unfortunately trying to deal.
01;00;55;29 - 01;01;12;24
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Right now or just in its history. I knew when you grew as an influencer the you know, the invasion of your privacy of people just popping, poking up and I feel like I know you. Oh, we're best friends. You know, I had breakfast with you the other day as I was watching your video and whatever, that content, that kind of stuff.
01;01;12;24 - 01;01;16;04
Andrew J. Contiguglia
And and you're like, all right, yeah. We're not friends.
01;01;16;04 - 01;01;25;00
Cait Crowell
Yeah. And as my you know, at that time, it was like my own doing. Yeah. It's like you share it with 40,000 strangers online.
01;01;25;06 - 01;01;37;29
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Exactly. Well, but. But still you do. But that's but that's part of what you that's part of the authenticity. But authenticity doesn't necessarily mean vulnerability and it also doesn't mean completely exposed. Yeah.
01;01;38;03 - 01;01;39;12
Cait Crowell
So you can oversharing.
01;01;39;27 - 01;01;54;14
Andrew J. Contiguglia
That's true, too. Yeah, I think that's a good way of putting it. All right. So let's move into sort of our closing remarks here. Could you tell everyone here that what are three ways? How a lawyer has helped you in your business?
01;01;54;28 - 01;01;56;23
Cait Crowell
Mm. Okay. All right.
01;01;57;03 - 01;01;58;19
Andrew J. Contiguglia
I mean, this is a legal podcast, Zephyr.
01;01;58;19 - 01;02;02;21
Cait Crowell
I'm just laughing at your cheek. You smell the towels.
01;02;02;21 - 01;02;04;27
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Tell me how outside I am in three words.
01;02;06;21 - 01;02;10;25
Cait Crowell
Three things. Okay. If get hurt in the box, you come up to me.
01;02;10;25 - 01;02;16;16
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Hey, listen, I sent you the show notes ahead of time. This is your own doing at this point. All right.
01;02;16;16 - 01;02;35;10
Cait Crowell
Sort of three major things. I mean, I think, number one, we've had already said this. There's questions that you're inevitably going to have as a business owner, no matter how big or small your business is, that you just don't know. And like I mentioned, you have ten months. So I took a break. Like, you realize that you need help, that you don't know everything.
01;02;35;10 - 01;02;54;09
Cait Crowell
And if you're a solopreneur for an extended period of time, things like we have our projects, you have our clients, you have more sales, you have more systems, you more of everything. And it's easy to get in the weeds on that. I like you've already mentioned my legal outlook and needs have changed over the last 6 to 7 years.
01;02;54;15 - 01;03;13;14
Cait Crowell
Got it? It hasn't stayed the same. They've grown. Yep. But I'm not going to take it upon myself to learn Colorado state law and know all of the terms and do all of that shit. I would rather pay you for that time so that you can do what you do best. And I can keep doing what I do this and you can help me.
01;03;13;21 - 01;03;40;01
Cait Crowell
So I think that's the biggest thing is like having your help in your own lane. And I stay in my lane and we help each other be better over time. Like, that's been a huge. Yes, that's kind of like I guess I'll say that's the big umbrella of things that you've helped me with is not super specific, but I don't think that I would have been as confident in the things that I'm doing if I didn't have you alongside me, helping me with everything along the way right.
01;03;40;01 - 01;03;55;02
Cait Crowell
I mean, I think the other thing, too, is just having a reason to ask questions. I kind of alluded to that a second ago. But, you know, there's so many times that I might have had about doing this new thing in my business and like what legal things I need to keep in mind. I wouldn't have even been thinking that if I didn't know you.
01;03;55;02 - 01;04;07;26
Cait Crowell
And we had other relationships that we have built over the years. Right. And I also wouldn't have you as a resource to give me the answer to that question. We're like, last time we had breakfast, I was like, This is just small questions. It's not going to be a big thing in.
01;04;07;27 - 01;04;08;29
Andrew J. Contiguglia
An hour and a half later.
01;04;09;00 - 01;04;27;20
Cait Crowell
That's Rush. And like, I've got to get all these contracts together. And I'm like, I had no idea that there were all these things involved. So I think that's been a huge help, is helping me legally grow and actually having a resource, I don't know, practically speaking, like I don't know how to set the LLC, how we serve an LLC.
01;04;27;20 - 01;04;33;12
Cait Crowell
That's a huge thing contracts for employees. So many people just go online and find something really cool.
01;04;33;15 - 01;04;39;05
Andrew J. Contiguglia
For employees or even independent contractors and probably classifying those people in your business.
01;04;39;21 - 01;04;56;17
Cait Crowell
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, that's a huge thing. Are like in letting someone go, it was like crap. Well, I only had a verbal contract with this person. Does a verbal contract a little longer? Do we have something written or am I like, you know, free to do whatever I want because we never signed anything together? What does that look like?
01;04;56;17 - 01;05;19;18
Cait Crowell
And then those things, right, that I didn't know. So, I mean, I think the biggest things you helped me with, I mean, there's so many I feel like I'm rambling at this point now, but like I say, emails, the answering questions, helping me with contracts and also just like covering my ass. I mean, I think you give me a sense of confidence in what I'm doing, my business a bonus way.
01;05;20;09 - 01;05;22;20
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Bonus number four. As for three that you're aiming for.
01;05;22;26 - 01;05;25;00
Cait Crowell
I'm just scrambling the things that are coming to my mind.
01;05;25;00 - 01;05;25;27
Andrew J. Contiguglia
All right. Good night. It's all.
01;05;25;27 - 01;05;43;01
Cait Crowell
Great. So you felt like a box, so I'll just give you all the things. All right, fair enough. But any confidence that, like, I'm doing business in a way that is, like, good for me, good for my clients, and then the legal standing. I'm not doing anything wrong. I can feel good about myself, and I can rest easy at night as an entrepreneur.
01;05;43;02 - 01;05;48;06
Cait Crowell
All the other things that are running through my mind, the legal stuff is something I don't have to worry about, which is huge.
01;05;48;13 - 01;05;58;23
Andrew J. Contiguglia
That's all awesome. All right. So in closing, tell the listeners, please, where can people find out more about you? Where can they find you online? Can they learn more about your business?
01;05;58;23 - 01;06;24;14
Cait Crowell
Yes, I'm on Instagram. At what age is 84 short for Caitlin. You know, so funny that he crawled out. We got through a little bit of litigation insurance. If you're confused about my personal views, what you did, you see what can be regretted. It just take oral. We're in the middle of rebranding the logo. So the whole iterations of the business, which is I think when you talk about Weebly.
01;06;25;21 - 01;06;26;24
Andrew J. Contiguglia
It's never ending with you.
01;06;26;24 - 01;06;28;23
Cait Crowell
To stay after this mistake.
01;06;29;00 - 01;06;29;23
Andrew J. Contiguglia
We're going to sit down.
01;06;29;24 - 01;06;41;12
Cait Crowell
Yeah. Website is key girls to use the r0well dot com. And we also have a call and go Instagram page, which is our company page for all nutrition things.
01;06;42;12 - 01;07;05;20
Andrew J. Contiguglia
Well, thank you, Kate. It's always a pleasure seeing you. And this is a.k.a. Gloria and Kate, not Caitlyn Crowe reminding you to don't skip the legal, don't skip the legal. Have a great day.
01;07;05;20 - 01;07;24;04
Andrew J. Contiguglia
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01;07;24;04 - 01;07;40;13
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01;07;40;13 - 01;08;06;09
Andrew J. Contiguglia
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01;08;06;09 - 01;08;26;17
Andrew J. Contiguglia
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01;08;26;17 - 01;08;48;22
Andrew J. Contiguglia
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